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Feb. 7, 2023

#14 - Reinventing Law Firm Leadership with Scott Westfahl at Harvard …

On this episode, , Professor of Practice and Faculty Director of Executive Education at , joins Mary to talk about his career journey since graduating from Harvard Law School in 1988, including his time at McKinsey and then at Goodwin Proctor before...

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Jan. 23, 2023

#13 - A Surprising Love for Procurement with Lesley Garafola at Barin…

On this episode, , Managing Director, Global Head of Procurement and Vendor Management at , joins Mary to talk about her career history and how it led her to fall in love with procurement, much to her surprise. Lesley began her career at Wells Fargo...

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Jan. 9, 2023

#12 - Legal Life in the NFL with Jill Kelley of the New York Jets

On this episode, , VP of Legal Affairs at the , joins Mary to talk about the many twists and turns in her career which eventually led to her position with the New York Jets. Something that might surprise people is just how small the legal department...

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Dec. 19, 2022

#11 - Being a Legal Ops Pioneer with Reese Arrowsmith of the Campbell…

On this episode, , VP, Head of Legal Operations at joins Mary to talk about his career in legal ops that started before legal ops existed. We talk about his time in early legal ops software, long before we called it legal ops. This included selling...

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Nov. 29, 2022

#10 - Using Tech for Efficient Legal Ops with Lisa Mango at One Medic…

On this episode, , General Counsel at , joins Mary to talk about her career journey, through her move to the Bay Area for litigation work, which expanded into an in-house position, to her current role at One Medical today. Now, as a tech-enabled...

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Oct. 26, 2022

#9 - Airtable’s Ryan Marks Talks Tech Tools for More Efficient LegalO…

In this episode, , Head of Legal at Airtable joins Mary to talk about all ways to create an efficient LegalOps department, the importance of data, and how to avoid the reputation as the “Department of No.” Ryan started his career in litigation,...

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Sept. 27, 2022

#8 - General Counsel Shana Simmons Describes Her Impressive Career in…

On this episode, Shana Simmons , General Counsel at Everlaw , joins Mary to talk about Shana's career journey. From how Shana got a job as a law firm associate in London to why she left that job and moved to California to wor...

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Sept. 13, 2022

#7 - CLO Extraordinaire Niki Armstrong Talks Optimizing, Automating, …

In this episode, Mary is joined by her friend , Chief Legal Officer & Corporate Secretary at , to talk about optimization and innovation in the legal ops space. Niki has had a long and successful career, first as a lawyer and now as a CLO....

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Aug. 30, 2022

#6 - Fergus Speight and Jenny Hacker of Royal London Discuss Legal Op…

In this episode, Mary is joined by , General Counsel at , and , Head Of Operations - Legal & CoSec at Royal London, to talk about how they created and innovated a legal ops department before it was an established industry. Fergus explains how he...

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Aug. 15, 2022

#5 - Deloitte’s Mark Ross Dives Deep Into CLM Technology

In this episode, Mary is joined by , Principal and Co-Leader at , to discuss his impressive career and his best practices in the legal ops space. Mark began his career in England as a personal injury lawyer before emigrating to the US. Here he...

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July 26, 2022

#4 - Dr. Larry Richard Explains Lawyer Personalities and Psychology

In this episode, Mary is joined by her friend , Founder & Principal Consultant at , to talk about all things lawyers. Many who work in legal operations, or anywhere dealing with contracts, often feel frustrated by their lawyer...

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July 12, 2022

#3 - Mike Haven Talks About Transitioning From Law Partner to Legal O…

In this episode of Pearls On, Gloves Off, Mary is joined by , Senior Director, Associate General Counsel, and Head of Legal Operations at , to talk about how he went from being a partner in a law firm to filling Mary’s shoes as the President of...

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June 10, 2022

#1 - Ironclad’s Alex Su Talks TikTok, Trolls, and Career Changes

In this episode, Mary is joined by , Head of Community Development at . Alex is somewhat of a celebrity in the legal operations field; his TikTok account has nearly 75,000 followers. Alex talks about his success on social media, where he gets...

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June 6, 2022

#2 - Director of Legal Operations at Netflix, Jenn McCarron, Breaks D…

In this episode, Mary is joined by her long-time friend , Director of Legal Operations and Technology at . The pair discuss Jenn’s career trajectory, the growth of legal ops, and the massively successful CLOC event they attended recently. ...

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April 22, 2022

Welcome to Pearls On, Gloves Off

Smooth operations keep businesses afloat but what makes them successful? Join Mary O’Carroll on her new podcast, Pearls On, Gloves Off , where she is not holding back. Mary is diving into the nitty-gritty of what it takes to ...

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