Oct. 27, 2026
#106 - The Agentic Associate: Mike Schmidtberger and John Nay on the AI-Native Firm
Mary sits down with Mike Schmidtberger, chairman of Norm Law, and John Nay, founder and CEO of Norm AI, to get beyond the billion-dollar headlines. They dig into how a law firm and an AI company evolve together, how agentic associates turn four days of drafting into hours, why Big Law is structurally stuck, what 100% fixed fees do to incentives, and why the hardest part of building it all comes down to people.
This episode is presented by PLI.